A chilling conversation with serial killer John Wayne Gacy has left the detective that uncovered his gruesome crimes with unforgettable memories on what he told him.
Retired Des Plaines detective Rafael Tovar said the eerie smile of Gacy is something he'll never forget as well as what the killer told him during the investigation.
Mr Tovar discovered 29 victims when searching the murderer's Cook County property in 1978.
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Gacy has been tagged the "killer clown" due to his penchant as dressing as one for charity events and street parties as Mr Tovar spoke on his experiences questioning Gacy who he said liked to "play games with you".
Speaking to The Sun Online, Mr Tovar said: "Gacy was a type of guy who, if he knew you knew something, he was totally honest with you on any questions you asked him. If you didn’t find out, he’d play games with you."
At one point during the investigation, he struck up a chilling conversation with Gacy that still haunts him to this day.
"I drove him down from the county jail and at that time I said to him ‘John, how many people did you really kill?’ and he said to me ‘Well, I told my lawyer this and you guys already know about that but 45 sounds like a good number,'" the retired cop said.
"That’s when I said ‘where are they, John?’ and he just kind of looked at me with a little smirk on his face and said ‘You’re the detective. It’s up to you to find out.’"
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During his reign of terror, Gacy was known as a helpful neighbour in the community and even became a "respected" local Democrat.
According to Tovar, these actions taken by Gacy were strategic as to keep suspicion away from him.
Some of his helpfulness around his area included ploughing the driveways of his neighbours when it snowed.
Mr Tovar said officers were told by Gacy that the reason he dressed as a clown was because they "can get away with murder".
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